Major updates made Sunday 10/6.
Today I had a rare privilege and challenge: I spoke to a kind of audience I’d never addressed before – the World Parkinson Congress in Montreal. I was one of four speakers in a two hour session “New Views of Managing Parkinson’s Disease”; we each had 25 minutes plus Q&A. Above is a photo I took from the stage – a big hall at the Palais de Congres, with over 2,000 in the room.
I composed a talk about patient empowerment (in the context of Parkinson’s) based on things I’d learned about the disease community – and, importantly, research issues – from two good friends with the disease, Sara Riggare of Sweden and Perry Cohen of DC. They must have coached me well, because four times I was unexpectedly interrupted by applause. It was webcast, and video of the session should be published in a day or two.
One item I noted in the talk was a brand new, magnificent book [right] that was launched at the conference, conceived, written, edited and produced entirely by patients. In my view this book is the instant exemplar of how patients can define their disease to the world: the experience of getting the diagnosis, exploring treatment options with each other, coping with life with the disease, and much more. It’s a gorgeous, browsable, full color coffee table book – you can jump in anywhere. More on this book later.
Here’s a version of today’s slides, modified to be more understandable without the audio:
World Parkinson’s Congress 2013
There was enough interest that we added an unscheduled breakout session in a side room – thanks to organizer Eli Pollard for her quick response!
The unplanned session truly had no plan – we started talking and taking notes. In a sense this was an example of a point I make frequently: patients know what patients want to know. It was great to see the fire and hope in the eyes of these patients and caregivers who want so much to define the future on their own terms, given the constraints of the future they own. I took notes as we talked (using the room’s projector) and promised to publish them.
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Notes from “birds of a feather” session
Sunday update: I think most of the subjects we covered are included here; anyone who was there, if I missed anything, holler in a comment.
Choices and power in how we look at things:
- In my talk I’d noted what I learned about outlook from my kidney cancer patient peers (on ACOR.org, now SmartPatients.com): “If you don’t want to die of cancer, live long enough to die of something else first.” Several people told me what a liberating “mind pop” that was.
- Similarly, with PD, you might choose to live long enough – or slow your decline long enough – for the next amazing breakthrough to come along. Who knows?? There are no guarantees, but then there are no guarantees something good won’t happen. Until you’re dead, be fully alive!
See also “Hope” below.
What is empowerment?
I got such an education on this subject that I’ll post about it separately. For now, here are points from the session:
- Disempowered = “There’s nothing I can do about it”
- One patient’s view: “I’m here for a good time, even if it’s not for a long time” – sometimes our “helpers” take away that power
- One patient noted an organization that says “We’re here for you” – she wants someone who’ll say “We’re here with you”
- Compare to Medicare’s “Partnership for Patients” vs Regina Holliday’s patient-defined “Partnership with Patients” conference.
- This isn’t just “nutty fruitcake” stuff; the establishment is getting on board: Last February the Institute of Medicine [IOM] had a workshop on partnering with patients, and released this report in August.
- This 7 minute video from the event starts with IOM President Harvey Fineberg saying how important this is – and even talks about patients driving and participating in research.
- My oncologist had told me that they’re trained not to give patients “false hope.” I understand this – who wants to hear, at the end, “But doctor – you told me there was hope.:-(” But having survived, I also said “But what about false no hope??”
- I cited Jerome Groopman MD’s excellent book The Anatomy of Hope, about what he’d learned in his own long career, and the emerging biological evidence on “the anatomy of hope.”
Medication issues
A caregiver expressed frustration that some of their docs don’t know much about the meds they prescribe
- Cited a doc who had never seen the pills he was prescribing
- Got switched to a generic pill that was too small for the caregiver to handle, let alone the patient with PD. What are they thinking???
Clinical trials and evidence-based medicine
- The placebo effect: if during a trial something beneficial happens that’s not clearly part of the design, should it be discarded because scientifically it’s “noise,” not” good evidence”? Or should it be viewed as a bonus, to be explored??
- Researchers commonly say “If it’s not what we were studying, we have to get rid of it.” I understand the scientific method – but patients with this declining condition sometimes say, “Whatever that was, STUDY IT!!!”
- One patient said: “They’re always saying the disease is different for everyone – so shouldn’t we be able to decide things??”
- We touched on the history of how medicine views evidence:
- Decades ago we relied on authority, aka “expert-based medicine” – “Dr. X is the authority in this field.” In essence, doctors relied on word of mouth from other doctors.
- Unfortunately that led to unwarranted practice variation (see my 2010 post on it.
- The remedy to this was to teach doctors evidence-based medicine [EBM] – to ask “What’s the evidence?” and to reject anything for which there’s no evidence. Yet.
- EBM is great when the evidence is good and when there is evidence. But many patients live in a world where there’s no evidence about reliable next steps. As I said in my first post on EBM,
“On the fringes of medical knowledge,
lives are at stake and medicine doesn’t have the answers yet.
What do you do?”
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- In practice, EBM sometimes leads to a sense of false certainty that if there’s evidence it’s reliable, and if there’s no published literature it shouldn’t be discussed.
- I noted the information on side effects I got from my patient peers, which my oncologist says may have contributed to saving my life! Clearly that information is valuable, but I doubt it’ll ever be in a peer reviewed article.
- Except, it is reviewed by my peers – the patients who share my point of view.
- In practice, EBM sometimes leads to a sense of false certainty that if there’s evidence it’s reliable, and if there’s no published literature it shouldn’t be discussed.
Support groups / peer groups:
- Susannah Fox at Pew Research is the top authority on what she calls “peer to peer healthcare.”
- It’s one aspect of her superb work on what people actually do – and don’t do – regarding health online. A “tip sheet” large collection of her most quotable data points is at bit.ly/PewHealthTips.
- In my view, our patient peers are “People who see things my way.”
- This gained new importance a year ago when the Institute of Medicine issued a new report that said medicine needs to be “anchored on patient needs and perspectives.” Anchored on the patient’s way of seeing things?? Wow! Tell your doctors!
Hope
A big issue for Parkinson patients is hope: when it disappears, people decline visibly and quickly. Of course, hope isn’t something you can study like a drug; there’s no evidence that it affects progression of the disease. (How would you measure it and dose it??)
Time after time I’ve heard of scientists who, being careful and rigorous, avoid giving patients “false hope.” In my speech I recounted a similar conversation with my oncologist, in which I’d said to him “But what about false no hope??” because of patients who’ve done so well. (That was one of the unexpected applause lines.) In the side session we discussed it more:
- “We came to give you hope” – physics – reductionism vs emergence (I told about my best friend, an Israeli physicist, who during my own illness visited me to give me hope. This surprised me because he’s a strict rigorous scientist; he cited the field of “emergence,” in which hope is no joke.)
- I’m no expert at this but Peter Schmidt of National Parkinson Foundation, a skilled mathemetician, noted that in emergence a little bit of something can encourage or cause the creation of more of it. If you know this subject better than I, please discuss it in the comments!
- I also noted the oncologist I met, after my illness, who said he used to tell patients there wasn’t much hope, and he’d watch them shrivel… now, he says, he replies “I don’t know if we can save you – but we will try.” And, “Just one thing – if we succeed, you must drive carefully!” :-)
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Other notes
I’ll add to this as I recall things – this was from the one session where I spoke.
- A stirring, evocative dance video by Parkinson’s patient Pamela Quinn
Sue Woods says
All I can say is: Phenomenal. Just phenomenal.
e-Patient Dave says
Coming from you that’s a thrill to hear, Sue. Thanks!
Given your wide experience and broad perspective, I wonder if you can point to anything specific in this – anything in the slides, the notes from the after session, anything?
I hear the video may be live today. When it is, I’ll post it.
Sue Woods says
I think it’s considerable shift for clinicians to move from paternalistic caring, to developing participatory skills, to participatory design == genuinely embracing patient self-exploration, peer support AND active contribution to ideas/treatments/outcomes.
Your messages and questions articulate this need in a personal and profound way: Who Knows best? Who Gets to Say?
Bringing your voice and your enlightenment to specific groups such as PD is, as I said, extraordinary. Thanks!
Kelley Connors says
Thanks for this download and incredibly well detailed list of hot points from your talk. I am trying to bring patient engagement to healthcare and follow patients “like you” because we can all role model from patients who are here to teach..and hopefully, transform.
I haven’t looked into your data from IOM, but I/m looking forward to devouring it and sharing.
Thank you Dave!
e-Patient Dave says
Great to hear from you, Kelley! Thanks. Some resources:
Here’s my own post about the IOM’s Partnering With Patients report, this fall.
Re last year’s Best Care report:
– Here’s a terrific poster/graphic with key facts about how medicine falls short of other industries in coordinating information. That’s all the incentive WE need to get involved, huh?
– And here’s the summary of what the IOM says we need, for a learning healthcare system. Note that #2 on the list is “patient/clinician partnerships” with “Engaged, empowered patients.” That would be you!
Kelley Connors says
P.S. I’m a caregiver and all I can say about “hope” is it’s necessary and worth the placebo effect!
kgapo says
came back to read for the second time tonight and have a look at the comments too. Great work Dave, what I like in you is connecting various pieces of information to make a new whole!
I knew the IOM report but in your post, I see it now under a different light. Look forward to see the video of the PD presentation!
Pete says
So, on the placebo effect, you need to be careful: placebo effects come from doctors misleading their patients. A physician might tell me, “Try this, it has helped a lot of patients like you,” and not technically be lying but still giving me a sugar pill. I think what you were really talking about is the “outlier effect,” where a patient in a clinical trial does surprisingly well and we toss out his/her results because we say, “oh, that’s an outlier.” As I mentioned in the session, there’s a principle in physics where we say, “anything that happens is possible.” The corollary is that “anything that is possible is repeatable.” We should focus on understanding outliers (really, both positive and negative), not discarding them.
e-Patient Dave says
(Edited a year later to update information on the video)
I just discovered that the video of this session is live,
The first speaker’s portion contains some embargoed material so his isn’t posted yet, but the other 94 minutes is,here.It’s the whole session. My segment is from about 1:01 to 1:25
minutes 30 to 54, with a little Q&A after.A note about the slides: It’s rare to see a conference publish both the slides and video of the speaker, side by side! Unfortunately in the editing, the slides didn’t match up. Holler if you have any questions.
Pete says
On “emergence,” this is the phenomenon that happens when something is positively-reinforcing. The immune system functions by emergence: when you get infected, your immune system does a whole bunch of things that make the body a hostile environment for the infection. The body throws a whole bunch of different cells at the infection to destroy it, and, hopefully, one of them works. The body then replicates that cell that successfully fights the infection until there is enough of it to wipe out the infection. We have evolved a positive feedback mechanism to eliminate disease.
Cancer also shows emergence. A sequence of small changes, each alone benign, combine to form a mechanism that the body alone often cannot fight. First one tiny transcription error happens in the DNA of a cell and it winds up producing 1,000 benign cells with that change. Then one tiny change happens in one of those 1,000 cells and that cell makes 1,000 more benign cells with two changes. Then a third tiny change happens in the DNA of one of those cells and that cell becomes cancer and produces so many copies of itself that macroscopic tumors appear and threaten the well ordered systems that keep us alive.
Humans emerge — one tiny egg and an even tinier sperm combine to form a 6 foot tall bag of water that can type this message. Diseases emerge and health emerges. Stars and planets emerged from tiny variations in the density of dust and gas. In a way, it is the reductionist thinking that is weird, not emergence.
Dorron Levy says
The remark on emergence is right-on. I especially like the last sentence.
One of the least-predictable occurrences in emergence is the interaction between various factors in a system, each might be small, but together with great influence. Interactions are particularly hard to model, as their number explodes with rising system complexity.
This is especially relevant when one is looking into the emergence of health. While emergence of disease might be analyzed to a small set of root causes (kind of a Pareto behavior), health depends on many factors to work well in unison, to interact. An especially elusive factor is the influence of mental status, which I think played a part in Dave’s overcoming cancer. This analytic challenge is not unique to medicine, but is common in failure analysis (Paretian in nature) while success in general is much harder to explain.
In my opinion, this elusive nature of health is actually making it more measurable, to a high level of quantitative significance, if one uses complex systems metrics, such as scale invariance, as measured parameters. It may be possible to use such metrics to monitor health as an abstract property of complex systems, and act upon deterioration, sometimes before any symptoms occur.
Thanks again for the post and the excellent comment.
Karen Nicole Smith says
Amazing!!! Going to share this post with a provincial committee that I’m on with regards to Vascular Health. I am also very inspired on a speaker/patient experience advisor level. :)